Carrying concealed weapons in public is not a 2nd Amendment right, says 9th Circuit ruling

[Editor: One more reason to not just vote for Trump but work to get him elected.  Who is named to the Supreme Count will ultimately decide this case.  The 9th Circuit is constantly overturned but not if Obama succeeds in persuading the very persuadable U.S. Senate to allow him to name the next Justice! So far, the Seante and the House has let Obama have everything he wants!]

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- In a victory for gun control advocates, a federal appeals court said Thursday people do not have a right to carry concealed weapons in public under the 2nd Amendment. 

An 11-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said law enforcement officials can require applicants for a concealed weapons permit to show they are in immediate danger or have another good reason for a permit beyond self-defense. 

The decision overturned a 2014 ruling by a smaller 9th Circuit panel and came in a lawsuit over the denial of concealed weapons permits by a sheriff in San Diego County. 

California generally prohibits people from carrying handguns in public without such a permit. State law requires applicants to show good moral character, have good cause and take a training course.

In San Diego County, the sheriff required applicants to show supporting documents such as restraining orders against possible attackers to show good cause for a permit. The requirement prompted a lawsuit by residents who were denied a permit. 

During oral arguments before the 11-judge 9th Circuit panel, Paul Clement, an attorney for the residents, argued that the self-defense standard should be sufficient and asking for more violates the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms. 

California Solicitor General Edward DuMont countered that there was a long and rich tradition of restricting concealed weapons in cities and towns. California officials sought to intervene in the case after the San Diego sheriff declined to appeal. 

California officials said loosening concealed weapons permitting standards and allowing more people to carry guns threatens law enforcement officials and endangers the public. 

Clement countered that there was no evidence that crime went up in counties such as Fresno and Sacramento that had more permissive "good cause" standards.

More on Mercury News

Views: 184

Replies to This Discussion

If you are one that believes the Supreme Court is the final arbiter of what is lawful and constitutional, then you have believed a lie and a myth that Jefferson warned about. The States still retain their rights to this day to defy the federal judiciary, which has become an oligarcy. We just need strong statesmen as governors and legislatures to make that stand!
 
In writing to William Jarvis, Jefferson said, "You seem . . . to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy."
 
The germ of dissolution of our federal government is in the constitution of the federal Judiciary; an irresponsible body (for impeachment is scarcely a scare-crow) working like gravity by night and by day, gaining a little today and a little tomorrow, and advancing its noiseless step like a thief, over the field of jurisdiction, until all shall be usurped."
freedom outpost

 
The TRUTH about the "supremacy clause" - our Constitution does not delegate to the national government authority to restrict our arms, ammunition, regulate firearms dealers, do background checks, etc. The national government may not lawfully circumvent this restriction by means of a treaty wherein the signatory governments agree to disarm their Citizens or Subjects.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Thank you, Rich.  We agree, particularly about the "lie and a myth" of the power of the Supremes.  Even they overturn their own decisions from time to time.  This was posted to prove the absurdity of the court system.  State lawmakers will never have the guts to take them on until we elect better lawmakers.  Very few incumbents deserve re-election!

The REAL PROBLEM is that if this gets to the Supreme Court ... the way it is today ... it will be a split decision IF WE ARE LUCKY .... and if it is ... then the lower court ruling holds !!! 

Vote for Trump, our Republic depends on it, as does our military !!!

if it goes down this way.....the people will never submit...

1,000,000 New Yorkers REFUSED to register their semi-automatic weapons in 2014....

@Rich About the same number in AZ!

the courts will me deemed instantly rogue

Time for us all to learn a little bit more about what Jefferson and Madison wrote about and advocated for in the Principles of '98--Nullification. I don't care how many black-robed-gods say what we can and cannot do. They don't have the final say so. We the People do.

Wanna bet?

Of course, carrying concealed in public is NOT a 2nd Amendment right.  I agree wholeheartedly.  It really is a GOD GIVEN RIGHT, only substantiated and documented by the 2nd Amendment.  I have not traveled into Kommiefornia since 1993 and have no intention to ever go there again.  However, in my many visits to that state prior to 1993, I ALWAYS carried concealed firearms in violation of every law on the books at that time. I was prepared to use my weapons in self defense if the need ever arose, and I was also prepared to ensure not a single witness of any kind was left to talk about my self defense.  I have the same attitude about any and all laws against our God-given and Constitutionally protected rights, whether at the federal, state, county, or local levels.

I obey nothing I disagree with when it comes to the 2nd Amendment.  If ANYONE disagrees with my stance, that's their freakin' problem, not mine.  My rights SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.  End of discussion.  Oh, one final thing.

MOLON LABE

The 9th circuit court in California ruling against an American being able to carry a concealed weapon means in that western states where they have more jurisdiction , you can expect more of these murders because no law abiding citizen will be there to stop the would be killer!  The KEY WORDS ARE Law abiding citizens, not illegals or those here on a "student visa".  The gun free zones are the hunting grounds and killing fields of crooks and terrorists, Chicago & Washington DC are prime examples. Require every law abiding citizen to own and be able to operate and care for a gun , and you will never have another problem in our country with violent crimes and most terrorism. There is a reason why there has not been nuclear war or why no nation has used nuclear weapons against anyone since WW-2. Each side knows that each other is " packing " !!!!!

RSS

THOUGHTS

My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.
Thomas Jefferson

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Click for **BLOW YOUR MIND READING LIST**  

The best in books to make every conservative start thinking in new ways about America and the world being controlled by the Obama Administrations AND Republicans and Democrats.  Some surprises are in store for those who look!

         

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

Suppose the earth and its inhabitants exist in order to identify just what causes mankind continually to suffer so many troublesome problems and afflictions.

At present, most persons decide to act on whatever happens with their thoughts. But doing so puts them in competition with one of the creator's natural laws first identified by Richard Wetherill.

How?

The answer is not complicated. People must stop basing their behavior on their personal thinking. Instead they have to act on the creator's thoughts, here being described in the English language as rational, honest, and morally right.

No longer should people reason from their concepts of good and evil, right and wrong, likes and dislikes, or whatever else comes to mind. Instead, mankind must think the creator's thoughts. That enables them successfully to do what is rational, honest, and morally right.

That may seem incredible until understood. But, consider that it is the way that mankind can escape the death penalty everybody has been paying since the days that people were created.

Join the survivors who have stopped their personal thinking. They now base their behavior on the creator's guiding thoughts to act in a way that is rational, honest, and morally right.

The Alpha Publishing Co.

 

GOD, PLEASE BLESS AMERICA!  AMERICA, PLEASE BLESS GOD.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO PRAY, KEEP ON PRAYING. HE HAS HEARD OUR CRY AND HE IS ANSWERING.

##########################

 

 

© 2017   Created by Arizona Freedom Alliance.   Powered by

Badges  |  Report an Issue  |  Terms of Service