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Convention of the States

This group is for discussion of the Convention of the States, Article V of the Constitution, advanced in the Mark Levin book, The Liberty Amendment.

Recommended reading, but not easy reading.  This concept is very thoughtfully presented and it makes clear that it is up to we, the people, to bring America back to her founding principles.  This is a good way to get that under way.

YOU ARE INVITED TO POST YOUR OPINIONS AND ANY MATERIAL YOU FIND REGARDING THIS PROCESS.

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Citizens for Self Governance

YOU can help in forming a Convention of States

Ultimately, the success of the Article V depends on the citizens of the United States.  Volunteers will be the engine that drives this project.  If Americans are willing to sacrifice their time and energy, there is still time to halt the tyrannical abuses of the federal government. 

Interested individuals are encouraged to join our growing grassroots movement by signing up on the Take Action page. There, individuals can pledge to contact their legislators and will be notified when important volunteer opportunities arise. These opportunities include: 

  1. Volunteering to contact your legislators to support a Convention of the States

  2. Volunteering to attend a legislative hearing to support a Convention of the States

  3. Agreeing to volunteer for the next campaign for a legislator/candidate who supports a Convention of the States

  4. Donating to candidates/legislators who support a Convention of the States

  5. Donating to CSG to support this project

 

Click this attachment to get a printable copy of this plan.  Feel free to save to your computer.  CSG-How-You-Can-Help-2009-04-2013.doc

Discussion Forum

Irresponsible Government

Started by Arizona Freedom Alliance. Last reply by Michael Alexander Jan 12. 4 Replies

This year revealed government incompetence and overreach like we’ve never seen before.  Thankfully, the founders gave us a gift: a solution as big as the problem. Citizens for Self-Governance’s…Continue

Tags: States, Congress, Convention, communication, collection

Remembering Patrick Henry…

Started by Michael Alexander Jan 12. 0 Replies

In case you couldn’t tell…Continue

Mark Levin Delivers Locker-Room Speech on the “Con-Con” Myth

Started by Arizona Freedom Alliance. Last reply by marc Dec 6, 2014. 1 Reply

In the 5-minute video excerpt below, Mark Levin responds to a request (from AZ State Rep. Bob Thorpe, LD6) for advice on dealing with anti-Article-V groups such as the John Birch Society. Like a…Continue

Tags: Society, Birch, Constitution, Thorpe, AZ

News from the Convention of States Project

Started by Arizona Freedom Alliance Dec 3, 2014. 0 Replies

, The key for any grassroots organization is supporters spreading the word. At the Convention of States Project, YOU are our greatest spokesperson! Ever wonder how to answer questions about a…Continue

Tags: Public, Interest, Institute, Rising, Madison

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Comment by Michael Alexander on January 12, 2015 at 10:50am

Note to Marc & Franklin Thomas Fiedler - Right now, today, the federal government - that's Congress, in case you really are as badly in need of a refresher as your comments imply - can and does increase the debt on a daily basis... to the tune of about $2.43 BILLION DOLLARS.

That's every friggin' day!

And, they do this on their own without any checks or balances. What the Convention of States Project and the Compact for a Balanced Budget Amendment propose to do is to introduce AUTHORIZATION BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE STATES before the debt can be increased.

Not only does this represent a brand-new hurdle that Congress must clear before spending our tax dollars willy-nilly, but they would have to submit the request in writing to all state legislatures, accompanied by a budget justifying every dime that they are requesting over and above the legislated threshold.

Additionally, the amendment is written so as to require compliance of both the legislative and executive branches of the federal government under threat of impeachment.

If the states fail to authorize the requested debt increase, there is no increase. If they do, than so be it... take it up with your state representatives... but don't sit out there and misrepresent the effort that is being advanced by fine, duly-elected constitutional conservatives across this nation, especially when the only research you've done on the topic is to find out what your opinions are supposed to be today from the John Birch Society.

Oh, that's right... they're the same as they were back in the 80s.

Comment by marc on January 12, 2015 at 8:49am

I agree with Franklin Thomas Fiedler

and the only way to solve the problems now is to remove the laws that got us here.

No more stacking bad on bad. No more problem, reaction, solution

Comment by Bruce M Piepho on January 12, 2015 at 8:42am

Franklin Thomas Fiedler - What balanced budget amendment are you talking about?  It appears you are talking about a U.S. House bill?  Have you read the Compact for America proposed BBA?

Comment by Franklin Thomas Fiedler on January 11, 2015 at 10:53pm

The Balanced Budget Amendment Delusion

Advocates for the so called “Balanced Budget Amendment” have no intent to eliminate debt.

On the contrary, their proposed Amendment should be named the “Authorized Debt Amendment”. The authors of this model legislation want us to believe Congress can “balance” the budget with debt. To add insult to injury the several states will authorize this debt through constitutional amendment.

HB 2305  9 SECTION 7. "BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT" MEANS THE FOLLOWING: 10 "ARTICLE __ 11 SECTION 1. TOTAL OUTLAYS OF THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES SHALL 12 NOT EXCEED TOTAL RECEIPTS OF THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AT ANY POINT 13 IN TIME UNLESS THE EXCESS OF OUTLAYS OVER RECEIPTS IS FINANCED EXCLUSIVELY BY 14 DEBT ISSUED IN STRICT CONFORMITY WITH THIS ARTICLE.

What determines the initial excess to be financed by debt?

15 SECTION 2. OUTSTANDING DEBT SHALL NOT EXCEED AUTHORIZED DEBT, WHICH 16 INITIALLY SHALL BE AN AMOUNT EQUAL TO 105 PERCENT OF THE OUTSTANDING DEBT ON 17 THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS ARTICLE. AUTHORIZED DEBT SHALL NOT BE INCREASED 18 ABOVE ITS AFORESAID INITIAL AMOUNT UNLESS SUCH INCREASE IS FIRST APPROVED BY 19 THE LEGISLATURES OF THE SEVERAL STATES AS PROVIDED IN SECTION 3. 

How does Congress increase the initial authorized debt?

20 SECTION 3. FROM TIME TO TIME, CONGRESS MAY INCREASE AUTHORIZED DEBT TO 21 AN AMOUNT IN EXCESS OF ITS INITIAL AMOUNT SET BY SECTION 2 ... AND THE MEASURE IS THEREAFTER PUBLICLY AND UNCONDITIONALLY 25 APPROVED BY A SIMPLE MAJORITY OF THE LEGISLATURES OF THE SEVERAL STATES, ...

In layman's language Congress can increase the national debt to “an” (read “any”) amount approved by and with the blessing of only 26 states.

This amendment will not restrain federal deficit spending; it will authorize federal deficit spending.

Comment by Eduard Goheen on October 9, 2014 at 8:39am

The "Article V Convention of States' project is not a call for a
constitutional convention to rewrite the constitution.  Rather, it is a call
for a"Convention of States" to propose and ratify amendments to the
constitution only of a limited scope, i.e. “impose fiscal restraints on the
federal government, limit the power and jurisdiction of the federal
government, and limit the terms of office of federal government officials.”

These type of amendments will not be capable of automatically reversing all
of the damage wrought by the federal bureaucracies and the supreme court
over the last 100 years, but, if properly crafted, they will be capable of
stopping the advance of the progressive movement.  That is when we will need
conservative legislators who can steer us away from having every aspect of
our businesses and lives controlled by non-elected federal minions.

I invite you to click on this website, conventionofstates.com, and learn about the methodology and legal chance of success of this process.

Comment by Franklin Thomas Fiedler on October 9, 2014 at 8:09am

We are in agreement. Congressional spending and its consequent mandates placed on the State governments are unsustainable.

But a Constitutional Convention even one limited to a specific Compact for a Balanced Budget Amendment is an inappropriate “solution”. In fact the Compact for a Balanced Budget is counter productive to its title's proposed intent. Here's why.

The Constitutional Convention of 1787 was called to stop the disintegration of the newly confederated thirteen sovereign states of America. The crisis had some of the same elements we face today. One such element was the issuance of irredeemable (in gold and silver metal) currency (actually currencies) by the Continental/Confederation Congress, several states, private banks and even British counterfeit “Continentals”. These were all classified at the time as “paper money”. Today we refer to irredeemable currency as “fiat currency”. The circumstance led John Adams to state in a letter to Thomas Jefferson (then in France) on August 25, 1787,

All the perplexities, confusions, and distress in America arise, not from defects in their constitution or confederation, not from want of honor or virtue, so much as from the downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation. “

None of these provisions were ever amended out of the Constitution. But in 1913 through the Federal Reserve Act, Congress, unconstitutionally in my opinion, delegated monetary authority to the Federal Reserve banking consortium (then consisting of the six largest banking institutions in the U.S.) over the United States Mint. This authority was incrementally abused to slowly replace gold and silver coin and their redeemable paper currency counterparts with irredeemable “fiat” currency.

The net effect of this policy gave Congress the ability to spend money that it does not possess in the form of revenue, something the several states could not and cannot do. In other words Congress can and does spend money beyond its ability to collect revenue. Then Congress extorts extra, as in beyond, constitutional compliance from the states by restricting revenue from the federal Treasury and the Federal Reserve back to the states.

The model legislation I have seen for a balanced budget amendment whether originating in Congress itself or introduced into the several states as a proposed compact of states reinforces the authority of fiat currency as a national monopoly currency. Actually such a model proposed amendment further damages the provisions of Article I sections 8 and 10 to provide the nation and all its sovereign states with money fixed to a standard of weight and measurement beyond the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.

Comment by Dawn Brunson on September 25, 2014 at 10:22am

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Comment by marc on September 10, 2014 at 10:08am

I've been adding Article V content to my website. It seems to be the hot topic these days.

http://t.co/QvJSb5obR7 Constitutional Matters - Changing the Constitution via Article V - History and Application

Comment by marc on August 19, 2014 at 7:56am

Don't Amend Unconstitutional U.S. Constitution

Changing the Constitution

Comment by Franklin Thomas Fiedler on August 6, 2014 at 8:28pm

I oppose the premise that the U.S. Constitution should be amended for any reason before repealing Amendments 14, 16 and 17.

I especially oppose amending the Constitution to balance an unconstitutional budget. I contend the budget is unconstitutional because it contains funding for federal programs outside the jurisdiction delegated to Congress from the several states. I specifically oppose recognizing “authorized debt” (HB 2305 text of bill page 2 lines 15, 17, 20, 30, and page 3 line 30) and placing the words “authorized debt” into the Constitution by authority of the people of the State of Arizona. I specifically oppose the implied power granted through this amendment from the State of Arizona to maintain accounting of the “authorized debt” with fiat currency generated from a compact of banks established as the Federal Reserve in December 1913.

Introduction of the words “authorized debt” into the Constitution after December 1913 makes the Federal Reserve the primary creditor for the United States Treasury with the express approval of the State of Arizona.

Why is gold and silver coin important? Because gold and silver coin cannot be generated by electronic data entry, written ledger entry, or paper bill issuance. It is money that must come from economic activity in the free market. But the Federal Reserve Act (ch. 6, 38 Stat. 251, enacted December 23, 1913, 12 U.S.C. ch. 3) is an Act of Congress that created and set up the ,Federal Reserve System the central banking system of the United States of America, and granted it the legal authority to issue Federal Reserve Notes, now commonly known as the U.S. Dollar, and Federal Reserve Bank Notes as legal tender .

In other words the Federal Reserve System can and does issue money in excess of deposits from member banks and thereby create by fiat money that did not arise from economic activity.

Our Constitution is a binding contract of limitation. Which means, only powers delegated to the federal government by the delegations of the several states constitute the enumerated and defined powers of the federal government. The binding contract of limitation nature of the Constitution is reiterated by the words of the 10th amendment in the Bill of Rights: “ The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

Amending the federal Constitution grants more power to the federal government. Let's not do that!

 

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"Blow your mind" Reading:

It's Even Worse Than it Looks; How the American Constitutional System Collided with the New Politics of Extremism, Thomas E Mann and Norman J Ornstein

Team of Rivals; The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln, Doris Kearns Goodwin

One Nation: What We Can All Do to Save America's Future, Dr Ben Carso

Please Stop Helping Us: How Liberals Make it Harder for Blacks to Succeed, Jason L Riley

Some will hate this book, others will see the truth in it.  The Party is Over, How Republicans Went Crazy, Democrats Became Useless and the Middle Class Got Shafted, Mike Lofgren  

 

 

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