Today, AG Jeff Sessions finally stepped up to the plate, under Pres. Trump's orders, and terminated DACA.  In the words of the AG, this is as unconstitutional as it gets and Obama enacted it not because it was a legal act but because it was his opinion.  We don't make law based on opinion.  Doing that results in the chaotic country we now see America to be.  Sessions called it an "open-ended circumvention of the immigration laws."  Correct!

Ending DACA, said the AG, will help to eliminate the drugs, violence and other extremist activities that we see today and it will surely cut down on illegal border crossings.  In fact, the end of DACA has already been initiated!

Eight hundred thousand (800,000) young illegals now under the DACA program will be rolled off the system.  Those with legitimate jobs will be rolled off slower than those on government benefits.  Nobody gets amnesty but deportation will be deferred from immediate deportation.  Permits to stay in the USA that expire before March 5, the day the President gave Congress to come up with immigration legislation, can re-up if they do so by October 5.  If Congress does it's usual side-stepping on legislation by March 5, thousands will be subject to deportation.

Said Sessions, if the people and Congress want a DACA-like program, they have to go on the record and pass legislation and send it to the President. That is the lawful and Constitutional way America is supposed to work.

It will be interesting to see what happens here.  As we know, Congress "passed" many bills to end Obamacare when they knew Obama would not sign them, giving them cover. The cover is now ripped off and the liberal elites have been unmasked.  During Obama's terms, Congress also sent him many bills to end DACA, knowing that would never happen. Covered again.  Well, now there is no cover on the road to making America great again.  We see our "conservative" lawmakers being exposed daily for the progressives they are.

A test of Congress is coming!

But don't wait for massive deportations of those who have lived the American dream: gotten an education, stayed away from drugs and other illegal activities and hold down good jobs and are contributing to society and the tax base.  Those high on the deportation list will be those who have taken advantage of free government handouts, Obama-phones, welfare, free college educations that American citizens don't get and so on.  It's sayonara to those people.  Or maybe we should say Hasta la vista, baby! (Thank you, Swartzenegger)

Since Congress has until March 5 to come up with legislation, they either get on the stick and finally do something or be further outed as the liberals under their desks we have come to know many of them to be.  Or they send one of two kinds of legislation to the President: one that no one would sign (probable) or something that makes sense, limits the numbers of visas issued to immigrants who are unskilled and puts a tracking system into the bill, since thousands of illegals in this country today have overstayed their visas.  And a plan to deport those who can't figure out how to follow the law and be productive.  There are 1000s of those and we see them in ANTIFA weekly!  Many are marching in downtown Phoenix as this is being written!  If they are out on the streets at 10 am, they aren't working and contributing to America's greatness.

Time will tell!

Now that's out of the way.  Can we count on the DoJ to investigate Hillary/Obama/Podesta/Schumer/Pelose?

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"Spare me the outrage" by Carl Denninger

The ethics of the rights of anchor babies and illegal aliens. What is the right thing to do?


Churches and Pastor's loses their moral authority when they leave the moral authority of the Law of God. Churches fear the Law of God because they teach not and do not understand the Law of God. The natural flow is to Cheap Grace, which, of course, is not Grace at all.


Theft is not Charity whether it comes from the left, right, CEOs (who love cheap labor damn the law to Hell) or others, just spare me the tears, ok?

I'm not swayed by the claim that the kids involved are blameless.  That doesn't matter; the fact is that they have accessed and consumed services in this nation to which they were not entitled over the previous years, and nobody is demanding that they pay the cost of said services back.

Theft by conversion is still theft.  Yes, if you have no ability to reason at the time (because you're a young child) then you cannot be held criminally liable for said theft, but the fact of the matter is that you still got the benefit and paid nothing for it.

That it was your parents that worked under the table (and thus evaded said taxes) or worse, stole someone's identity (and thus committed both a criminal act and imposed direct cost on someone else) isn't material.  You were the beneficiary of that conduct -- both directly in your home and indirectly in your access to schools, infrastructure, medical care and more that you wouldn't have had.  You've benefited greatly over these years.

May I remind you that President Obama, when he announced this program, admitted he had no legal authority to do so.  Congress could have changed the law over the intervening time, and indeed prior to that time, but did not and has not.

Speaker Ryan's mealy-mouthed nonsense is even worse, as the person who could have brought said bill to the floor of the House and hasn't done so.  He is the worst sort of hypocrite and jackass, in that he's made a nice name for himself by claiming to be for the Rule of Law -- right up until it is proposed to be enforced.

Then he turns into someone who condones said theft instead.

DACA is illegal folks.  This is not about compassion, it's about the rule of law.  If someone manages to break into a bank every day and steal $20 without being caught for years or even decades that does not change the fundamental nature of their act, nor the fact that's illegal.  Getting away with an illegal act does not make it lawful; it just means, especially when it's done openly and notoriously, that you managed to sufficiently bribe the cops.

The latter, may I remind you, is a second and more-serious offense, because corruption of the rule of law is usually considered more-serious than simply ignoring or breaking the law.

No, holding cute babies up to the camera won't change my mind.  Nor will appeals to my alleged "better side."  The fact of the matter is that our nation's immigration laws are what they are and those who intentionally broke said laws and/or profited from same must not be rewarded for doing so by giving them the ability to stay, permanent residency or even worse, citizenship.

Nope, nope and nope.  All of the DACA folks have a nation -- but it's not the United States.  They're citizens of some other country, to which they must return.  Once they've done so if they so choose they may petition to enter the United States for the purpose of residency via the established and lawful basis, and should be expected to repay, with interest, all of their previously ill-gotten gains.

If they have acquired skills and education while here then on a score-based system they'd actually have an advantage in requesting legal status -- from their nation of citizenship.

But not while here -- while here they are illegal invaders, whether they knowingly broke the law or not, whether carried by their parent(s) or wildcatting on their own.

The law either must be applied evenly or it is meaningless.  Congress neither has a right or an obligation to retroactively change these facts -- only prospectively.  The administration, for its part, has an obligation to enforce the law -- not an option to do so or not, as President Obama asserted.  That obligation stands as one of the primary pillars of our Constitution and in fact is an explicit component in the oath that the President, and those who serve in the executive or legislature where oaths are required, take before ascending to the office in question.

DACA must end and those who promote otherwise must be driven from public office and the boardrooms in which they sit.  Those firms who profit from and advocate for the intentional violation of Federal immigration law must find the firm and all responsible executives charged under said law as accessories before and after the fact and their companies must have their charters revoked and be disbanded.


But where would the big donations come from (esp. our GOP) if these executives were held responsible for their roles in violating the laws to get cheap labor?

I have asked for years, being completely tongue in cheek, when do the rest of us get to ignore the rule of law in what we choose to do?

We either have the rule of law -- or we have an anarchy.  We DON'T get to have both.

It is absolutely time that we started holding accountable congressmen like Jeff Flake, who blatantly and unapologetically believes that he and his family can build a ranch on the backs of illegal aliens and not face the consequences for doing so.  Grrr!

But our two AZ Senators both like DACA and have said it would be unfair to deport these illegals.  I suspect they will fight for a bill that is similar in intent and content to Obama's unlawful decree.

A small step toward returning America toward being a lawful nation once again; but a step. Prayerfully, we will see the day when those who have clearly "adhered" to our Constitution's enemies by passing and perpetuating legislation designed to support the New World Order by destroying our ability to enjoy an unalienable Right are held accountable. 

I have a weekly discussion group that mostly talks about what Trump is or isn't doing. Most understand what he didn't understand before and neither did we. We all thought it was the dems who were the obstructionists and since we held both houses Trump could make good on his promises.  A couple want to blame trump but they are getting over that.  Don't tell me YOU knew the Rs would be the big problem because we all knew some would be but the others could yank them on to the train.  Now we know and Trump knows that 2/3 are obstructionists too.  My guess is that Trump is playing it smart (my discussion group agrees) by not yanking everything away at once. Boiling frog. My guess is that the legislation they bring him will stink or they won't bring anything. Then the deportations go into full throttle from semi-idle. I understand they will start to deport the criminals now whether they are locked up or not.

Why is so difficult for people to acknowledge there is little difference between the major political parties? The evidence is very clear! Both have supported those seeking to establish a New World Order on our Constitution's ashes for well over 100 years.

As for Trump: he can't "Make America Great Again" so long as America isn't in control of its destiny; and it isn't!  To be in control it must exit the UN, restore a sound monetary policy, and shed itself of the ungodly and unlawfully created debt that is a result of the unlawful monetary policy. That every politician is guilty of Treason is also clear. All that I can identify have - by an act of omission - shown their support for the 5th plank of the Communist Manifesto; thereby "adhering" to an enemy of the Constitution. It's sad that there aren't enough Americans having the common sense needed to realize it will take millions of them working together to make a difference/

What is your thought on what groups or group of individuals are really directing both parties from behind the scenes?  For a while I thought it was the international bankers who own the Federal Reserve.  Now, I'm starting to lean in the direction that the people calling the shots are Marxists embedded throughout the U.S. and in the U.N. (OWO).  But, still, there has to a smaller group of leaders for what seems to be a well-orchestrated and very effective (brilliant from their perspective) campaign to bring us down.  I don't see how it can be hundreds or thousands of disconnected Marxists magically marching in unison.  And as evil as Soros is, I see him as an enabler with his money, but not as a charismatic leader and strategist behind something so complex.

I think most activists know all about our Uniparty. It's the great uninformed that is the problem.

Hehehe, Jasper. You knew someone would claim to be the smartest kid on the block. Based on the lousy Congress we have I think you are right about how they will treat this March 5 mandate.  I hope they test Trump and he starts to throw all of them out.  Really, I hate to do that since they didn't make the decision to come here and have never lived anywhere else. If they are contributing to our economy, I'd give them a green card and let them stay as long as they have a needed skill but NO AMNESTY. They have to get in the baaaack of the line for citizenship.

Uhhh, can you point out where I questioned your honesty, or anyone's?  I can't seem to find that.  I'm just saying everyone is an expert in hindsight.  I didn't point any fingers at anyone specifically and you posted your comments after I did anyway.  But I'm not interested in going through your links of internet shows or whatever.






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